Carolina Road House - Steak House Type Restaurant in Myrtle Beach with 153 reviews

Carolina Road House

Steak House Restaurant in Myrtle Beach

 
Carolina Road House
Rated: 3.5 out of 5 with 153 Reviews

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Carolina Road House
4617 North Kings Hwy
Myrtle Beach
843-497-9911
Hours: N/A
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jan 04th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
From: Roanoke, VA
By: kc


Avg. Rating:3.3
Whenever we come to Myrtle Beach this is the place we always have dinner the first night we are in town. Food is excellent, service is terrific. So many complain about the wait for a table. It is like most other places around evening meal time and for a beach resort area, what do you expect? We have never waited over 45 minutes. The trick is to get there about 5:00. However, if there is a wait, we look at it as an oppotunity to sip on a drink and watch TV. WE LOVE IT!!
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Dec 06th, 2007 at 9:50 am
From: Rochester, N Y
By: srp


Avg. Rating:2.3
We were seated promptly, waitress took our order from our group of 5. The salads came out and there were only four of five delivered. We finally got the other salad which were ok. Then we received 4 of five entrees. The 4 we received were bad. Dry, tasteless, prime rib, steamed veggies that were not hot or fully cooked. None of the meals were by any means hot. Actually, the salads were hotter. After we got the 4 meals and gave the poor reviews to our 5th forgotten entree person, she elected thankfully cancel her order. Would not go back if u paid me.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Oct 21st, 2007 at 9:31 pm
From: danville, VA
By: rdd


Avg. Rating:5
Dined there twice this week. Food was great , great service and good prices. Go early to beat the crowd.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Oct 03rd, 2007 at 3:55 pm
From: Mauldin, SC
By: db


Avg. Rating:3.5
We ventured to the Carolina RoadHouse as it was recommended by some friends who live in Myrtle Beach. We went for the seafood, and we did not come away disappointed. The portions were larger than expected. The platters were moderately priced - about $17 for a combination platter. The flounder was excellent, and the shrimp were large and very tasty. The service was average, but the ambiance was nice in the large post and beam great room. After going to calabash our first night, then murrels inlet our second night, we were most satisfied on the third night of our trip with our visit to the roadhouse. We would recommend to anybody, and plan to go back on our next trip to MB. Enjoy.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Sep 07th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
From: Port Republic, MD
By: djl


Avg. Rating:3.5
My family loves this restaurant and it is always the first place we go on our annual Myrtle Beach vacation. However, we noticed a disappointing decline since last summer. My husband's prime rib, which he ordered rare, came well done. Our excellent server cheerfully took it away and brought him another one which was cooked correctly but was unusually fatty. My baked potato soup came with a skim on the top like it had been sitting around a while. We gave it another try on our last night at the beach. I did not want to get ribs again so got a tenderloin/fried shrimp entree. The meat was overcooked and the shrimp were soggy, and the garlic seems to be gone from the creamed spinach. I write this review in hopes that this restaurant does not just continue to coast on its popularity but maintains attention to detail and good food.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Sep 05th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
From: Johnstown, PA
By: mg


Avg. Rating:4.8
This was our first visit to Myrtle beach. We loved the this restaurant. We loved it so much that we went back twice on the same day. The chicken salad with the bacon and honey mustard dressing was awesome. My husband had the chicken sandwich and mashed potatoes that were awesome. Our server was excellent. He made wonderful reccomendations. Lastly, the KEY LIME PIE. My Oh MY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Awesome... Would definitely go back.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Aug 27th, 2007 at 4:57 pm
From: Frederick, MD
By: akh


Avg. Rating:4.7
By far Carolina Roadhouse is the best restaurant in Myrtle! A few "MUST's" to try...... 1. Every salad comes with a honey buttered croissant, one is simply not enough, order a basket as an appetizer! 2. They have the best dressings, House is a hot bacon honey mustard.....awesome blue cheese, and their ranch had chopped up egg in it which was awesome. 3. My husband loves the ribs, He say's the meat falls right off the bone. 4. The creamed spinich is so wonderful. My favorite. We will be back!
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Aug 12th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
From: columbia, MD
By: ds


Avg. Rating:4.8
Excellent!!! The potato soup is the best I've ever had. Great steaks and ribs, not to mention the croissants. A must stop in Myrtle Beach.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jul 17th, 2007 at 10:10 am
From: St. Louis, MO
By: tm


Avg. Rating:2.8
Our experience started out here with over an hour wait. We had four adults and one child in our party. While we waited we were looking over the menu and I noticed that all the steaks and chicken were served "charred." So that was a downfall for me since I don't like things burnt. When I asked the waitress if items can be cooked differently, she stated that the grill only cooked things one way. The one good thing is that they had a wide variety of food on there menu. The food was just about average and the prices were average for a steakhouse in Myrtle Beach. I would not go back to this restaurant. The food wasn't that good and the waits are way too long!
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jul 16th, 2007 at 3:16 pm
From: Cumberland, MD
By: tlb


Avg. Rating:3.8
Our favorite place to go when on vacation in Myrtle Beach. Took my brother's family there since they have never been before. They enjoyed it and everybody liked their food. My husband and I have been there several times and he thought the food had changed. (for the bad) He ordered the ribs and they didn't taste as good as before. The prices also went up. We will return, however since my husband likes the atmosphere.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jun 25th, 2007 at 10:00 am
From: Myrtle Beach, SC
By: lsh


Avg. Rating:4.2
This restaurant has some of the best salads I've ever eaten. Nice interior design and atmosphere. A little noisy, but not much more than other places with this large open floor plan and lots of family diners with children. I have friends who visit from Winston-Salem, NC, and they always eat here at least once when they come to Myrtle Beach. Try the Chef's Salad...excellent!!
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Apr 23rd, 2007 at 5:51 pm
From: Boston, MA
By: rep


Avg. Rating:5
I noticed some had complaints as well as compliments. With most places you will get both. As for my experience, nothing but the best. From the time we walked in to the time we left, it felt like dinner at home with family and friends. Are server was amazing, from the minute he greeted my party he became a part of the group. We even met his parents who sat next to us. Those croissants are to die for. I've never tasted any thing like them, seriously, those along with the house salad was a great beginning to an incredible evening. The filet mignon was the best I've ever had. The decor was very nice, I don't remember the music being loud, or that any at all was playing. The atmosphere was exactly what I look for in an evening out. Not to take away from the group I was with though. The company you keep goes along way to the kind of time you have. I was lucky enough to experience such an amazing time along side several U.S. Army Soldiers.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Feb 26th, 2007 at 12:38 am
From: Easton, CT
By: clr


Avg. Rating:5
Everything is always excellent here. Call ahead so you don't have to wait. They don't take reservations but they will put you on a list so you don't have to wait once you get there. Our favorites are the ribs, gumbo, baked potato soup, salads, fish platters and the key lime and NY cheesecake (flown in from Carnagie Deli in NY!) You won't be disappointed!
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Feb 11th, 2007 at 8:25 pm
From: Myrtle Beach, SC
By: ex


Avg. Rating:4
One of the very best at the beach. The potato soup is extra special. A dieter can order the salmon salad and never deviate from his/her plan! Try the pina colada for a creamy treat. The house salad with house dressing is superior. Best place for ribs.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Nov 24th, 2006 at 7:07 pm
From: Carolina Forest, SC
By: df


Avg. Rating:3
Long wait times and just average. I won't be in hurry to go back. For the price, I think Longhorns is much better.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Nov 01st, 2006 at 11:11 pm
From: Toronto, CANADA
By: mb


Avg. Rating:1.5
We have been to this restaurant many times in the past 10 years - we were extremely disappointed- we felt like the food was being thrown at us - my husbands second steak (the first was sent back as it was too well cooked) was tough and had no flavour - very bad dining experience and we will not return. Our over all impression was that the restaurant felt that they did not have to impress our group since they could rely on their past laurels as a quality establishment. We have recommended this place in the past but would now caution those who think this is the same quality restaurant. Not even close!!!!!
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Sep 21st, 2006 at 10:07 pm
From: Stow, OHIO
By: dd


Avg. Rating:3.2
The Carolina Roadhouse has always been a must for us each year when we visit Myrtle Beach. While we've found other places for great steaks on the strand, the Carolina Roadhouse's salad is like no other. The food quality from year to year never changes, always very good. One other thing that never seems to change though, is the indifference and unfriendless of most of the staff, especially the hosting staff. We are blown away by the way the host/hostess usually seems annoyed that they have to seat us! Never a smile or even a "hello". We notice this year after year. At the Carolina Roadhouse, customers aren't greeted at all, let alone made to feel welcome. The wait staff who takes our order is usually very friendly and helpful. However, the food is usually served by somebody else. This year our food was abruptly "plunked" down in front of us. I felt like it was thrown at us. On this trip, we made it a point to try several new restaurants, and found some where the food was as good as Carolina Roadhouse, and we were actually greeted when we came in the door. I don't know if Carolina Roadhouse will be on our "must" list in the future.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Sep 02nd, 2006 at 8:28 am
From: Alloy, WV
By: kf


Avg. Rating:3.3
We had a party of 5 adults and 2 children. We had the Ribs they were very good, and meaty. One member had the New York Strip he liked his steak as well. The House Salad dressing is to die for one of the reasons I like to eat there. Our waiter was a bit slow, but we enjoyed our dinner, and plan on going back next year.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Aug 20th, 2006 at 2:38 pm
From: Colerain, NC
By: bw


Avg. Rating:2.7
We ate at the Carolina Roadhouse during our vacation to Myrtle Beach. We were seated in a reasonable amount of time - average for this time of year in MB. I ordered the ribs, and my wife had chicken strips. The waiter was nice, and prompt. My ribs were overcooked on the back side to the point they were black. They tasted bitter because of this. My wife said her chicken was ordinary. We were both expecting better, since we had been here before and liked it then. Overall the value for the money was average, however who wants a decent price for ribs if they are overcooked and dry? The restaurant was noisy and very busy. The waitstaff appeared to be short in number. The hallway between the front and back enterance was so crowded with people that you could not hardly move through it.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Aug 15th, 2006 at 8:34 pm
From: Winston-Salem, NC
By: km


Avg. Rating:5
We were blown away by the Roadhouse. For us, it was one of those places where every single thing served was amazing- even the creamed spinach was something special. I ordered filet medallions and fried shrimp- the medallions were a perfect medium rare and almost an inch thick even though each was only 3 oz- you aren't compromising anything!

The shrimp were excellent and accompanied by some unexpectedly amazing hushpuppies (normally, I don't even care for them). Oh, and their salads, which are fairly large, are served with homemade croissants that melt in your mouth.

My boyfriend ordered ribs and loved every bite. Service was prompt, friendly and attentive both at the bar and the table. Portion sizes are huge- we spent 50 bucks and left stuffed with plenty of food in our doggy bags for the next day.

We will be back next year for sure. What a great restaurant!

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Carolina Road House
Posted: Aug 13th, 2006 at 10:50 am
From: Kunkletown, PA
By: bh


Avg. Rating:3.7
There is a good reason why this place is noisy and can frequently require a long wait? We have been here several times and have had consistently good food and service. The croissants melt in your mouth, the house dressing tastes much like the old Pennsylvania Dutch hot bacon dressing and the Shrimp Evil Jungle Prince's peppery etouffe sauce leaves you feeling warm all over.

My wife's filet medallions were prepared to perfection and the hush puppies were excellent.

This has become one of our "must visit" places whenever we are in town.

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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jul 25th, 2006 at 2:53 pm
From: Proctorville, OH
By: sw


Avg. Rating:2.7
We tried Carolina Roadhouse for the first time last summer and couldn't wait to eat there again this year. We were very disappointed with our second visit. We used call ahead seating and were seated when they said we would be ( a plus) however our server was not very attentive and when our food was brought to the table it was literally thrown down. I asked for some extra salad dressing for the salad and had to ask two more times before I ever got it. We had to ask for refills and then wait a long time for them also. The steaks were just so-so. We probably won't return again.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jul 24th, 2006 at 9:22 pm
From: Cuyahoga Falls, OH
By: dkb


Avg. Rating:4.2
A delicious meal in a great atmosphere! Minimal wait time with reservations. Accomodating to large parties with high chairs and baby carriers. Prompt, friendly service. We will be visiting again during our next vacation.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jul 21st, 2006 at 4:31 pm
From: New Castle, PA
By: dah


Avg. Rating:4.3
We ate at the Carolina Roadhouse two years ago and were not impressed. We decided to give it a second try on our recent trip to Myrtle Beach (July 13-19). The food this time was very good. My son loved his steak and my husbands and my seafood was very good. My husband also had the gumbo soup and he loved it. We called ahead for seating and sat down within a few minutes. This was great since my other son, wife, and 15 month granddaughter were with us. We will be going there again next year.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jul 15th, 2006 at 8:06 pm
From: Wellsboro, PA
By: hew


Avg. Rating:4.2
Hey, Greenville, SC. Here's a clue . . . Go back, but don't order the PR. This is by far one of THE BEST in or around Myrtle Beach. Best bar "bar" none. There is a wait for seating, but thanks for the hint about the call ahead. The wait, however, is worth it :-)
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jul 11th, 2006 at 9:10 am
From: Pine Knot, KY
By: ac


Avg. Rating:4.8
LOVE THIS PLACE!! My Husband and I have eaten here many times and always find everything great. We ate there on own honeymoon some it is a special place for us. The ribs are great!!!! The portions are huge! The prices are great too. We always stop in when we are in town.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jul 05th, 2006 at 7:31 pm
From: Etters, PA
By: cab


Avg. Rating:4.7
I'll let everybody in on a little secret. The Carolina Roadhouse has call ahead seating! It's almost as good as making a reservation. I loved the Carolina Roadhouse. Beautiful restaurant, great food and resonable prices. You must try the salad with the house dressing (honey/mustard). Outstanding! Probably the best salad I've ever had. My kids could have eaten a basket of dinner rolls and nothing else. They are that good! Great chicken ribs and steak.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jun 29th, 2006 at 2:46 pm
From: apex, NC
By: jgb


Avg. Rating:4.5
We love this restaurant - the salads and prime rib are to die for! They have great bar drinks and all of the food is terrific! You must eat here when visiting Myrtle Beach. You can also enjoy the same menu in Charleston at California Dreaming! Two reasons to vacation in S.C.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jun 08th, 2006 at 11:39 pm
From: wheeling, WV
By: spf


Avg. Rating:5
Great place and great value! Best oyster po' boy I've ever had! Treated like a king after i chomped on a small piece of oyster shell... Very quick and caring managers... Normally would have stopped eating but it was just sooooo good.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: May 31st, 2006 at 3:03 pm
From: Cumberland, MD
By: tb


Avg. Rating:4.5
One of the best restaurants on the strand. Outstanding food and service. My husband and I usually don't mind the wait for we sit at the bar and have a couple drinks. Excellent atmosphere. A must visit for us.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: May 12th, 2006 at 11:55 pm
From: Pittsburgh, PA
By: vam


Avg. Rating:4.5
Top five on the strand everyear. All of the Divine's places are good, but this is the exception. I've been there several times and never dissapointed. My cousin had the blackened grouper and I tried the prime rib (prop. cut) for the first time, AWESOME!!!! I will return. The waiter was very knowledgable as my company travels the world and is a tough critic. Maybe be a wait though, but that shows the quality. I suggest u go before 5PM or after 9PM. Great bar and great atmosphere. Very clean with any open kitchen. May run smoother without the highschool girsls running the front end, but they do alright.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: May 08th, 2006 at 11:34 am
From: Troutman, NC
By: bh


Avg. Rating:5
My family and I have been enjoying the Carolina Roadhouse at least twice a year for several years now and have never experienced a bad meal. This is truly one restaurant that we refuse to leave off the list when we visit the area. The food is outstanding and the portions are large. All menu items are priced below what you would pay at other restaurants in the area. The inside of the restaurant is impressive with the wood and show kitchen. I believe the noise level matches the atmosphere of the Carolina Roadhouse. Great place, hands down!!!
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Apr 23rd, 2006 at 2:04 pm
From: Westminster, MD
By: pc


Avg. Rating:3.8
It's a must visit for my wife. We love the prime rib. The salads are well prepared and the glazed croissants are great. You typically have a wait but they do have call ahead seating to shorten it. The last visit I tried the chicken finger platter. It was very good. Large portions. Nice atmosphere. Always busy.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Mar 25th, 2006 at 9:22 am
From: Pataskala, OHIO
By: mbn


Avg. Rating:4.3
Carolina Roadhouse, CR, has always been our TOP priority restaurant to dine at...year after year. On our most recent visit, we had a party of 10. The staff was very accomidating in getting us seated near each other. This year we are bringing all 6 kids. I made the suggestion we save the roadhouse for our quiet get away meal. She quickly let me know that all of the kids, ages 16 down to 5, always looked forward, and enjoyed the CR. Guess we are taking them all.

Even if you are going for the early-bird time frame, expect a wait. This can easily be handled as they do offer call ahead seating....ya just gotta do it!

All of us rant and rave about the rolls and the salads. Very good. The prime rib and any of the steaks are sure winners.

We have NEVER been disappointed in any manner and this is the one place you have to go to!!

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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jan 08th, 2006 at 2:34 pm
From: myrtle beach, SC
By: wf


Avg. Rating:4.2
Great food, seated right away every time but noise is a factor if you're looking for something quiet and relaxing.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jan 03rd, 2006 at 8:04 pm
From: Worcester, MA
By: tcc


Avg. Rating:4.2
LOVE the salad, ribs and beef. Great BANG for your buck! Will be back soon and often. NEVER been disappointed!
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Dec 08th, 2005 at 11:33 am
From: Rocky Mount, NC
By: tlw


Avg. Rating:3.8
My husband, myself and our 3 children (10-13 years) have been to the Carolina House on several occasssions and each time we have enjoyed the food, service and atmosphere very much. He is planning on taking his managers (13 of them) there this weekend for a dinner while they are in Myrtle Beach for a managers retreat. Highly recommend.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Nov 17th, 2005 at 4:26 am
From: Dayton, OHIO
By: sl


Avg. Rating:5
We love to eat at Carolina Road House when we are in Myrtle Beach, and have never been disappointed. This visit my husband had the ribs and loved them. I just had their potato soup and a salad but it was very good. A nice place to go and good value for good food.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Sep 18th, 2005 at 5:43 pm
From: Alloy, WV
By: kf


Avg. Rating:3.7
Great ribs, Loved the house salad dressing. Husband had The New York Strip and liked very well.

Nice friendly service.

Will be back next year!

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Carolina Road House
Posted: Sep 14th, 2005 at 6:44 pm
From: Harrison, NJ
By: pd


Avg. Rating:4.5
Great Ribs and chicken. My family had a great time. Will be going back for more.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Aug 28th, 2005 at 6:22 pm
From: Reading , PA
By: slm


Avg. Rating:3.7
Carolina Roadhouse serves large portions and excellent food. I recommend you to make reservations if it the busy time.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jul 22nd, 2005 at 8:22 pm
From: Surfside Beach, SC
By: rg


Avg. Rating:5
One of our family's favorite places to eat. From the salads and soups to the ribs and steaks, you will enjoy it all. The atmosphere is special too.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jul 22nd, 2005 at 2:04 pm
From: Harrisburg, PA
By: dd


Avg. Rating:4.5
Great food. Service was a little slow though. Burgers and Potatoe Chowder were excellent Overall a great place to eat.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jul 21st, 2005 at 1:48 pm
From: baltimore, MD
By: mla


Avg. Rating:3.8
Fabulous food-especially the marinated filet medallions and the salads! Bring a sweater-it's a little chilly in there and the staff don't realize it because they are running around so much. Also very noisy and long wait-but well worth it!
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jul 05th, 2005 at 4:06 pm
From: denton, NC
By: cg


Avg. Rating:5
Just love that Baked Potato Soup!!
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jul 01st, 2005 at 1:16 pm
From: Bristow, VA
By: rjs


Avg. Rating:4.5
EXCELLENT!!! Never had a bad meal here. At times when busy, service is slower, but still ALOT better than other places around.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jun 18th, 2005 at 12:58 am
From: Pittsburgh, PA
By: vam


Avg. Rating:4
Great salads and bread. The dressings are very SPECIAL in their own way. There is a large bar if you have to wait for a table and the prices are decent for the generous portions. The prime rib and chicken dishes are AWSOME! I've been there three times and have yet to have a complaint! The location is very conveinent if you are anywhere between Surfside Beach and North Myrtle Beach. Very clean!
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Carolina Road House
Posted: May 08th, 2005 at 10:13 pm
From: danville, VA
By: rdd


Avg. Rating:5
Great ribs,great salad.always a favorite stop for a good time.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Mar 13th, 2005 at 9:00 pm
From: Troy, NY
By: jn


Avg. Rating:3.3
The food is very good there, the salad is incredible and the honey croissants are the best. Have ordered ribs that were great (so tender) and the steaks too have been very good. We have eaten there many times when visiting Myrtle Beach and always look forward to going back for dinner. Wish though they would turn the music down, it is a bit loud. Otherwise we love the restaurant.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jan 27th, 2005 at 7:40 pm
From: las vegas, NV
By: hs


Avg. Rating:4.2
best salad ever!!!!! best ribs ever!!!!!! would definitely go again and again. also appears to accomodate large parties! the bathrooms were also clean and VERY nice!
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Jan 25th, 2005 at 5:16 pm
From: Greenville, SC
By: nam


Avg. Rating:2.7
Salad was good. Ordered 2 prime rib dinners and it was the worst prime rib I have ever had. Meat was fatty and part of it was like hard rubber. It appeared to be the end of the roast, couldn't even cut it with a knife. Would never go back.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Dec 24th, 2004 at 11:56 am
From: n myrtle beach, SC
By: mw


Avg. Rating:4
We ate a late lunch (4pm) at Carolina Roadhouse yesterday, ordering two appetizers each instead of an entree. The homemade chili was totally delicious, as were the fresh baked croissants and pound of chicken wings. Service was very good by an attentive waiter. Piped in music was a little loud but still tolerable. Room temperate was a bit chilly for this time of year.
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Carolina Road House
Posted: Dec 04th, 2004 at 9:59 pm
From: little river, SC
By: tml


Avg. Rating:5
I had an enormous salad and my husband had the biggest hotdog with chili and fries all piled together that he had to eat it with a fork. He couldn't finish it all! Very popular for lunch so will be busy but still got excellent service.
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